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  What happed if two Mormon Elders and two Jehovahs witness meet together?

  by Ray in

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  anybody ?

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  moggy lover

  They'd probably be standing on a clocktower [watchtowers are in short supply in an urban enviornment] eating out of golden plates

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  The Seven Thunders of Millennial Dawn!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  dr. shadduck 1928 edition.

  i retyped out a couple of pages that were weak, however, if you still need a page or section retyped, then just send me a pm.

  any copyrights on this booklet would have been discontinued many years ago.

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  moggy lover

  Bless you my son, for this service rendered. May your seed increase till time indefinite, even for ever, and may your favourite ice-cream never run out of stock

  "The Seven Thunders" has dutifully been stored on my 'puter

  Cheers

  Moggy
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  Metatron: Loss of Elders Confirmed

  by zack in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  wts wants only "company men.

  i am still in, but guess what?

  compassion, caring, ministering--- all the things that i thought i was called to do as a christian, as a sheperd---- no one really wants those things.

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  moggy lover

  To my way of thinking, what we are seeing unfolding before us is the rotten harvest resulting from years of focussing on the wrong goals. Sowing bad seed, if you like. Ever since the mid 20s when Rutherford forcefully, and deliberately altered the method of placing men into positions of leadership in the WT movement, from a congreational arrangement, to a highly controlled one dictated by the centre, we have seen the quality of leaders decline, sometimes markedly.

  When the travelling overseers of the society visit a local congregation, almost the first task they apply themselves to, is examining potential elders. The measuring rod used to assess the capacity for leadership, is a mechanical record of field service, which is thus carefully scutinized. And that is where the problem lies. The spiritual worth of an individual is measured in a physical capacity to adhere to the will of the centralized governing authority. No account is taken of other, more fitting qualities that make for spirituality, like a love for the Word of God, or a love for the fellowship of believers. Indeed there is NO other method of measuring spiritual qualifications that the WTS sees fit to regard.

  This is despite the Biblical record that we have preserved for us in the writings of the apostle Paul. Nowhere, in the fifteen elements that qualify a person for leadership in a local assembly of believers, as recorded in 1Tim 3:2-7, is any mention made of one's "field service" as such a qualification. Rather, the attention is focussed exclusively within the body of believers, on the inductee's ability to relate to, and aid the membership. Nowhere is "study" portrayed as a gift, but teaching, with gentleness and temperance is.

  By keeping a tight control on the ones they place into positions of leadership, [amusingly calling this a "theocratic" arrangement] the WTS has ensured that these men are as arrogant, unworthy, and self serving as themselves.

  They create a system of abject conformity and call it love. No wonder the congregations suffer as a result

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  Having a Problem with Reexamine.org

  by JW_Researcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for about a week now, when i click on the "shortcut to downloads page " on reexamine.org's front page, i am redirected to the main page again.

  in other words, i click on the link....i wait....and the same page (the home page) is reloaded and displayed.

  the url to which the link above points is

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  moggy lover

  I can confirm having trouble getting into the reexamine.com site. As you mentioned, it seemed to move me back and forth. But this new URL you put up does work. Looks like the WTs from 1920-29 are a new addition to the site

  Thanks
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  Need References for early 30-40 year generations - Please + other questions

  by rassillon in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have been working on several charts to help explain things better and i need an early watchtower reference or book reference which shows the wt's teaching that a generation was 30 or 40 years.

  any help is appreciated.

  ps, if anyone knows how i might come about a copy of the watchtower book shelf cd-rom from reexamine.org i would be most appreciative.

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  moggy lover

  I can't seem to get onto the reexamine.org site to download the WT CDs [the files were too big to download anyway] can anyone tell me where I can purchase them ?

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  JW's in a nutshell

  by drew sagan in

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  2. friends

  last night i was reading a book and i came across an illustration that fits this circumstance well.

  a young boy at sunday school learns the story of david and goliath.

  at home that afternoon the boy comes to his mother and says "i'm as big as goliath".

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  moggy lover

  Perfect illustration, Drew.

  Sad part is that all centrally dominated religious systems, like the Mormons do the same thing. I remember a tract published by Herbert W Armstrong, where he showed his readers how to identify the "One True Church" 1You had to accept the sabbath 2 Had to celebrate the Jewish festivals, Passover, pentecost, Hannuchah, etc 3 no divorce permitted 4 the destiny of believers is to become God 5 had to accept that the English Speaking Peoples were the Israel of God etc etc 6 Had to accept that he, HWA was the Last True Prophet sent by God etc etc

  Same principle, different yardstick

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  Abraham

  by HelpWanted in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm new here and i had a question i was hoping you could help me with.

  why does james 2:21 say that abraham was justified by works and yet romans 4:2 says that he was justified by faith?

  also genesis 15:6 says he was justified by faith?

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  moggy lover

  Hi, Help wanted, and welcome to the forum.

  You have put your finger on a theological conundrum that has perplexed the Christian Faith since the birth of Protestantism. Even so herculean a figure as Martin Luther experienced this perplexity, terming the Letter of James "A letter of straw" implying perhaps that those reading too much into it were asses.

  However, over the years, many have gradually begun to see that there IS a continuance of thought between the writings of Paul and James, rather than a tension. Or rather, if there is a tension, then it is one of continuity, rather than contradiction.

  There is no doubt that the fundamental precept of the NT is that faith is what operates in the believer, both saving, and justifying. But to quote a modern vernacular: Define faith.

  Thats where both Paul and James work in tandem. Lets see if we can divine what both say:

  1 Paul: The SOURCE of Justification is the unique quality of God called Grace. [Tit 3 :7] This grace provides the faith by which justification comes [Ro 3:30] - Example: Abraham [4:2,3]

  2 James: But what KIND of faith justifies? One that is empty? No, but one that is evidenced by works. Yet it is not the works, but the faith, [which comes through God's grace] that justifies.[Ja 2:17,18] Example:Abraham

  This is what Paul is saying: Abraham was justified by faith

  James is saying that Abraham was justified by [faith that was evidenced by] works

  Paul is talking of the PRIORITY of faith in justification, while James is extending this to show the PROOF of this justification. If I were to confess that I have been justified by faith, how would YOU [not God] know that I have been justified? By my works. You [not God] cannot see my heart, but the barometer to enable you to conclude the veracity of my statement is my works. God knew that Abraham had faith. But how could WE [not God] know that Abraham had this justifying faith? By his works.

  We can be thankful that both, the letters of Paul and the letter of James were written, because it is only through the steroscopic sight from both points of view that the faith that justifies can be understood

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  Hello all; helping those in the org

  by stapler99 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've been lurking for a while so thought i'd introduce myself.

  i'm in my late teens and left the jws just before i left home.

  i used to know what absolute belief was, but never got baptised because i didn't feel any love for god.

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  moggy lover

  Hi, and welcome, Stapler 99. Good post.

  You are among friends here. Enjoy the company of a free people in free assembly.

  Cheers
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  Blondie's new avatar

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as another jwd poster pointed out, blondie (debbie harry) is a redhead.

  so i updated my avatar.. .

  i think i'm looking pretty good considering i'm not longer a young chick but a 60-year-old broad.. http://www.deborahharry.com/.

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  moggy lover

  Red hair? Yeah go on rub it in.

  <sniffles> I don't have ANY hair, no matter what the colour

  I suppose on the up side - at least I don't have bad hair days!

  Love yer avatar by the way.

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  I have a feeling that "The Watchtower" of 4/1/2006 was an April Fool

  by MinisterAmos in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the issue contains the "life story" of a brother who has been in for sixty years, but it really sounds like someone from jwd who is subtly bashing the org.. according to him he only got dunked some 60 years ago because "my mother (repeatedly) emphasized one point to me; armageddon is coming soon"!

  when he was baptized to age 13 he "only understood basic bible teachings and understood that he was responsible to jehovah for my conduct".

  note he specifically omits mention of the wtbs as being representive of god and fails to mention "showing glory to the elders and others" as demanded in wt 9/1/97 but is seeming to mock the wt with the "soon" remark and also with the fact that he was baptized at 13, without his parent's permission and with little knowledge.. anyway, his mom is dead and here we are 60 years later.

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  moggy lover

  Good Gawd!! I met at the door not long ago. About so high? Sort of longish, short sort of hair?

  Yeah thought so, same gal, She does'nt half get around eh?

  Cheers